Resurrection Debate

[hellsreach]

Surma has been sent Sycarion's D6 Fantasy Creatures, and D6 Fantasy SRD to compile into the wiki. If anyone has the time turning D6 Adventure and D6 Space into .rtf formats along with the remaining OGL books to be compiled into the wiki that would be wonderful. I'm working on putting together some of the older D6 material myself at the moment. The most important thing as we compile material is to make sure it's organized and in an easily searchable format. Since Eric is back we should be able to get some permissions in advance for other material such as D6 Legend, to be placed in the wiki. Speaking of Eric if you're reading this do you mind?

The OGL is a copyright license. As such, I'm only in a position to provide a copyright license on non-licensed material. Legend was only fully developed from licensed products. I cannot give whole-cloth license to products that used Legend. Still, Legend is a D6 variant and could be included in OpenD6 if adapted and rewritten.

My commitment to OpenD6 is and has always been to getting the OpenD6 site up, running, and fully populated, especially since I have already spent countless hours and thousands of dollars to get it up and running. I will remain focused on that. I appreciate the concept of OpenD6 Ressurrection, but contend that 1) OpenD6 was not and never has been dead to be resurrected from, and 2) OpenD6 Resurrection is basically amounting to a direct competition to what will be OpenD6.com.

I'm not going to lie or mince words. I'm feeling far less assisted and far more betrayed but such things as SixSided Fantasy and similar adaptions, D6 resurrection, etc. Everyone and their mother has been on my back to get out the D6 OGL and SRD before OpenD6 was up and running. I knew it would be a mistake, but I bowed to the pressure. Now, people are taking MY good will and good intentions to beat me to market. I realize that is not the fans intention and they are only doing what they think best for the future of D6, but I think they people also forget that D6 is not a just a cool system that I enjoy. It's a property that have have spent tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop. I continue to spend thousand of dollars to create a web utility that could be revolutionary, and everyone else to trying to establish a wiki, before OpenD6 can even be completed.

Can anyone understand why I would want to avoid people using a property I've invested thousands in, to basically compete directly with me on the very same product I continue to invest in?

[Grimace]

Eric, to put this as nicely as I possibly can... when there's no word from you in 5 months, even when people have asked questions directly to you regarding both Septimus and Open D6, no one has any other choice but to believe that the Open D6 has died the silent death. This is why people have gone to lengths to create stuff using what WAS released in the OGL but utilize other names for it because of what WASN'T put out (the SRD and STL). Likewise this is why it is being "resurrected".

When consistant lack of any information regarding OpenD6 is present, people have but no choice but to assume things. When they get messages from the website developer of OpenD6 that things have been put on indefinite hold, and when questions presented to you are left unanswered for months, people get the feeling that everything has been left to the fans to carry the torch.

Lack of anyone else carrying the torch has lead fans of the system to pick up the torch.

So while you may have invested thousands of dollars towards it, until recently there's been no word from you and there has been pretty much nothing to be shown for it. The fans of this game don't want this game to be left in the dark. You don't want this game to be left in the dark. However you've been leaving the fans of this game in the dark! As the owner, sole employee and spokesman for West End Games, you need to make a much better effort at public relations so that people don't think OpenD6 has dried up and been forgotten.

So feel betrayed if you wish, the fans are just doing what the fans feel they should do barring ANY information from the owner of West End Games. Whether it's competition for you or not, right now D6 Resurrection is UP and able to be used. Your site is not. I know you're going to do what you can to remedy that, but the fans didn't know what else to do since the last post prior to your recent "return" was back in August. What were they all supposed to do in the silence? Sit and do nothing, hoping that you'd return with everything fixed and perfect when they had no idea what was wrong?

How about, once you actually get OpenD6.com up and running, you then visit the idea of OpenD6 Resurrection closing down? How about once you release the SRD and the STL, anyone who created Six-Sided and Mini-Six will be able to actually, legally, produce material called the D6 system? We're waiting on you. We've been waiting on you. We've been asking what the status is. But we've been getting nothing at all from you for 5 months.

So bear with us and we'll bear with you. The fans are only doing this so that the D6 system doesn't slip away into darkness.

[Jerry D. Grayson]

The OGL is a copyright license. As such, I'm only in a position to provide a copyright license on non-licensed material. Legend was only fully developed from licensed products. I cannot give whole-cloth license to products that used Legend. Still, Legend is a D6 variant and could be included in OpenD6 if adapted and rewritten.

I would suggest rewriting he system in your own words and releases the new and improved “Mythic6” system

1) OpenD6 was not and never has been dead to be resurrected from

Neither is Duke Nukem forever. I’m glad I didn’t hold my breathe for either

2) OpenD6 Resurrection is basically amounting to a direct competition to what will be OpenD6.com.

I think the first to become fully realized will be the holder of the torch. You’ve had a 2 year head start and he’s only been working on his project for several weeks. Why would you be concerned if yours is just around the corner from release?

Are you expecting everyone to wait forever? Its time to move on and do our own thing

I'm not going to lie or mince words. I'm feeling far less assisted and far more betrayed but such things as SixSided Fantasy and similar adaptions, D6 resurrection, etc. Everyone and their mother has been on my back to get out the D6 OGL and SRD before OpenD6 was up and running.

A lot of people feel a bit betrayed by this whole D6 fiasco. We are making lemons into lemonaid.

I think they people also forget that D6 is not a just a cool system that I enjoy. It's a property RELEASED INTO THE OGL

I cleaned that last one up for you


You’re welcome

Can anyone understand why I would want to avoid people using a property I've invested thousands in, to basically compete directly with me on the very same product I continue to invest in?

Competition needs at least two competitors but the only active project I see moving forward is D6 Resurrection.

I hope Wraith doesn’t buckle and give in to your grumblings. He’s got a fire in his belly and he’s mobilizing what little fanbase is left to get moving. People have been aching for a game with a D6 dice pool that’s active and player driven

I couldn’t do it but I hope Wraith does.




You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube

LONG LIVE D6 RESSURECTION!!!

[the_omen]

Keep it up wraith. Your lookin good.

[hellsreach]

OpenD6 will be completed.

Does anyone not understand that statement? Is is free of ambiguity? OpenD6 never STOPPED being a work in process. It never died and other than people begging for information on forums I didn't visit, few people ever bothered to ask me anything about it. Why do people have to be reassured every other day that projects continue to be worked on?

[hellsreach]

Waiting forever? That so? OpenD6 started being worked on a bit less than a year ago.

[Lee Torres]

Waiting forever? That so? OpenD6 started being worked on a bit less than a year ago.

Are you now referring to the website or the OpenD6 concept?

[hellsreach]

Are you now referring to the website or the OpenD6 concept?

Well, specifically the website. Before it was being worked on, it was just an idea, like so many others.

[Lee Torres]

The OGL is a copyright license. As such, I'm only in a position to provide a copyright license on non-licensed material. Legend was only fully developed from licensed products. I cannot give whole-cloth license to products that used Legend. Still, Legend is a D6 variant and could be included in OpenD6 if adapted and rewritten.

D6 Legend has been "adapted and rewritten" and has been in your possession since right before GenCon 2009. Do you need me to re-send the file?

[Jerry D. Grayson]

Waiting forever? That so? OpenD6 started being worked on a bit less than a year ago.

Then what’s your beef? If it’s complete and purring then post it on a wall or website someplace and be done with it. If Wraith wants to roll his own way let him


No ones trying to jump your train or take money out of your pocket. In fact I think the whole purpose of D6 Resurrection is to leave you alone so you don’t have to answer in questions


If you want to be in the mix you have to get into the bowl. Don’t grief someone for showing a bit of impetus and determination.